And I think we take full credit for that, don't we? Mat Kaplan: [laughs], I'm doing my best. And, uh, you can start digging in through the data. They develop their own inertia, these programs, for human space flight at the Moon. And sometimes I feel, Casey, you and I were like the old-timey Saturday serials that people used to go see at the theater where I feel like we leave our audience on a cliffhanger at the end of every episode with Casey and Brendan hanging on a cliff. It's eager to point out, this is the most ever requested for NASA science programs. Something that I had a lot of fun with was seeing just the huge scale of the Viking Program. Hey, Mat, happy to be here, again, finally. Something near and dear to my heart and, and our hearts here is planetary science. They actually need the ISS way more than any other country does. So this is a fixable problem. You can also subscribe exclusively to Space Policy Edition episodes on Apple Podcasts and Spotify: Or use our direct RSS feed and subscribe via your favorite podcast app. Important to remember that NASA did not get its full request that it had proposed previously from Congress. Mat Kaplan: We would love for you to be a part of helping us create all of the stuff that we do at the society, including this very podcast. I believe, uh, Marshall Space Flight Center just went to stage four yesterday. And again, I think if we get Artemis out of having the SLS, that is more than worth it to me. The NASA budget, we're gonna talk about this in great detail for planetary exploration is up to $2.7 billion. Mat Kaplan: NASA, this is the public sector. It's a proposal, historically, congressional action tracks very closely to what the White House proposes. No mission essential personnel even allowed on the NASA centers. Now I've taken on the 100 Earth's project. And so, the Planetary Society is gonna be putting out a lot of great content, opportunities to engage and to think about really exciting things in the future, because the future is still out there. Brendan Curry: And so, w-, for those of you who have been members long enough, we did this study at Strathclyde University, in Scotland. And so, if nothing else, this tells us about the role that we as individuals play together. And they said they're gonna be looking for a lot of technologies to help them address this situation. We'll link to it here in the show notes, but you can read about the event on planetary.org. Support The Planetary Societys space advocacy campaign! So, right now, you couldn't launch any earlier than '25, on the spacecraft. It's just, uh, we gotta make sure everybody keeps focused, uh, in an inappropriate level on space. And everyone out there, please stay healthy and sane. I'll have additional interpretations plots coming out in the following weeks. Casey Dreier: The big question is, will the Russians recommit with all the US and its allies to keeping the space station going through 2030? And so, you're continually stuck unless Congress releases NASA from that legal requirement to launch on the space launch system, or somehow Boeing is able to produce those at a faster rate to, to launch it. US residents can also sign the petition asking your representatives to support space science and exploration. And so, Gateway won't be tempted to dip into that to fund their priorities when they run into management issues versus focusing on the human spacesuit stuff. Again, elevating that policy by imprinting it in the bureaucracy is a smart way to do this. You've been following up on a lot of the meetings that our members had. We also look into the report-within-a-report on the status of the robotic Mars Exploration Program, and find some recommendations that appear to have been inspired by a 2017 Planetary Society report. We've always talked about asteroid defense, planetary defense from, from near earth objects and comets. We're not gonna be asking you to take action for a while until the time is right. We've really internalized this. This is crazy. So, we see these huge peaks in the past, but they were for very different situations. They're the opposite of, that's baked into the system. You've seen other small companies like Bigelow Aerospace lay off its entire workforce. No signup or install needed. This is the point where it becomes zero-sum basically. So it includes money for operations and they actually bump up operations funding for James Webb in order to provide more scientific opportunities for people which is great. One quick correction. And as I said to you a few minutes ago, I think you're gonna have a lot of academics in your debt. Uh, and by the way, be on the lookout for more live and interactive events from the Planetary Society. Casey Dreier: Yeah, the slides will be online in the show notes. And in that situation right now is obviously the consequences of the coronavirus that we'll be talking about in a little bit. Right? We'll do a detailed breakdown. Most things to talk about here in planetary science. They treat us as an honest broker and look to us for help. Empowering the world's citizens to advance space science and exploration. Mat Kaplan: And finally, I just wanna make one more acknowledgement here about coming up, some of the issues we'll be facing. Usually, a couple of years. Listen more: Planetary Radio, Planetary Radio Space Policy Edition, Explaining policy, Worlds, The Mars system, Mars, Space policy, Planetary Society political advocacy, Decadal Survey, NASA budget, FY2019 NASA budget, NASA, Guests: But we're seeing again, they were requesting $7.5 billion for Deep Space Exploration Systems. Bill Nye: Thank you, Mat. Again, things are changing so fast that it's unclear what type of process, or how this is gonna move through this year. Mat Kaplan: I think we should just go right into the, to the briefing. Professor Bethany Ehlmann served on the steering committee for the new planetary science and astrobiology decadal survey that will steer future exploration of the solar system. Where we have the appropriate time to make a real effort and not undermine our goals by seeming out of touch, as Brendan said. It's going to be great fun. (and enjoy a beer with a cosmologist), Eyes on the Sky: Spacewatch and the Catalina Sky Survey, instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your web browser, Exploration is in our nature. - Carl Sagan. We really started to see this under the Trump administration where Congress in general, likes not to have to choose. So, again, in the US, we just passed a $2.2 trillion emergency relief bill yesterday. So that's Commercial LEO, just wanted to highlight that. Over to you, Casey. Our industry i-is renowned for developing high tech, a high quality ruddered state-of-the-art technologies. It was the four of us who got together and talked for, uh, about an hour and a half. [01:00:00] Just how to get it out there, how to get to deal with Jupiter's radiation, the number of orbits, and so on, it's all been figured out. Listen more: Planetary Radio, Planetary Radio Space Policy Edition, Space policy, Planetary Society political advocacy, NASA budget, FY2023 NASA budget, Guests: And so, we thank all of those who have of you who are, and we hope that the others of you who, who can consider such a thing right now, uh, will take a [01:05:00] look at planetary.org/membership. And otherwise keeping humanity vigilant against that potential threat. Sign up for updates, weekly tools, and exclusive opportunities to support space exploration. [00:19:00] Not, not only in the US, but especially here. I mean, that's, in a sense, we see how that's a luxury, but also how important it is to keep our eyes down field and say, "What w-, amazing and exciting things are yet to come, that we can choose to do in the next 10, 20, 30 years. Thank you for joining us. Casey Dreier: High impact, yeah, [laughs]. Unless we're really ready to take action, then an as far as destination agnostic spacecraft, it's [00:51:00] very reasonable. It goes to Mars, grabs the rocks that Perseverance is collecting, brings them back. The special Space Policy Edition episodes are normally released on the first Friday of every month. It's basically an en-entire NASA center being shuttered with only basic security and protecting property in life, uh, its staff allowed to remain. Bill Nye: We don't want the earth to get hit with an asteroid. It sets the White House's overall approach. And one of his deputies is retired astronaut, Sandy Magnus. Which you mentioned Rogozin, the head of Roscosmos? And that's where everyone knows where we're coming from. Here's the complete March 2020 briefing, featuring Planetary Society CEO Bill Nye, Chief Advocate and Senior Space Policy Advisor Casey Dreier, Chief of Washington Operations Brendan Curry, and Planetary Radio host Mat Kaplan. Terrible. Right, Casey? Unfortunately, there was no funding for a near earth objects surveillance mission dedicated space telescope. In any case, it's an extraordinary world that everybody wants to have a look at it. View our Privacy Policy. It's by definition, not a business. Mat Kaplan: We're back with the, uh, briefing held on Saturday, March 28th. This is a huge amount of money for a single program line. There's going to be some inflation adjustments that will drive that number down a bit. But we've talked Earth Science. This is one of the reasons why we pushed the show back. Mm-hmm [affirmative]. They can't declare bankruptcy. Listen to host Mat Kaplan's conversations with the scientists, engineers, dreamers and leaders at the forefront of space exploration. humanity detects the presence of an alien intelligence or civilization? $2 billion of that $3 billion was spent on Viking. Um, so, again, this is, kind of puts into perspective, I think, that there's gonna be a challenging fiscal situation for, uh, private investment into startup space companies. Casey Dreier: of the federal budget, it's likely that the pie itself is gonna get smaller. They're usually slower off the mark. So I think they're acknowledging the dynamic situation of not knowing what the wet dress rehearsal's going to be. And they put it bluntly, they're gonna go out of business if they don't get support from folks, because, of course, their stages are dark. So, keeping as if every dollar was the same at in the past as it is now. That if we hadn't been building this Space Launch System for the last 10 years, we would not have this type of support or funding for Artemis in general that we would have now. Thanks. Right? You're seeing massive stimulus and relief packages being passed. During the Apollo years. Listen to 73 episodes of Planetary Radio: Space Policy Edition on Podbay - the best podcast player on the web. For our purposes, with respect to NASA, Administrator Nelson will have to go to the House Appropriations Committee, the Senate Appropriations Committee, but as well as the House Authorization Committee, and the Senate NASA Authorization Committee to justify why I, Administrator Nelson, deserve this money, that the President suggests that you give me this amount of money for these key priorities. Congress generally engages at a higher level. These are going to change, uh, I probably within the next few months, based on an internal review [00:40:00] happening at NASA right now. Just scroll down a little bit, you'll find a link to, uh, all of Casey's slides. If there's a time where events, external events make me just so grateful for the support that we have from our members at the Planetary Society, uh, I can't think of a better situation, or a more salient situation than, than we're in right now. Give with confidence. Brendan Curry: Casey Dreier: Again, it's a fantastic summary of this hugely massive space program that we have. It's been pretty positive. And just be clear, it's for planetary science within NASA. Using the space launch system can get you to, uh, Jupiter in two and a half years, or so. I could easily go on, Mat, about this for probably an hour, [laughing]-, Mat Kaplan: But it's there, people can explore it. It was mandated by Congress. Again, you can also see more [00:29:00] information about what we focus on at the Planetary Society, and particularly for our policy and advocacy program at our policy principles. Greetings all. Where does this money go? Casey Dreier: Planetary science peaked in 1974, at nearly $3 billion adjusted for inflation using the best methods we [00:13:00] have. And so, really, w-, it's like we're facing two black holes singularity events together, and trying to model what the outcome of the general-, Casey Dreier: regular policy process is going to be. The overruns in those two missions came out of NEO Surveyor. First, visit planetary.org/takeaction to make your donations. We are gonna stay the course. The one thing I wanted to mention, Casey and I were talking about it earlier. So that's going to put a degree of uncertainty on how things will shake out. The Justice Department will get that much of the pie. Planetary Radio Apr 08, 2022 Space Policy Edition: NASA's 2023 Budget Request Please accept marketing-cookiesto listen to this podcast. The NASA budget update, we'll just briefly touch on here. We're seeing 345 million for Europa Clipper. There's the Defense Subcommittee, the one that has NASA in it is called the Commerce, Justice, Science Subcommittee. Chief Advocate & Senior Space Policy Adviser for The Planetary Society, Planetary Radio Host and Producer for The Planetary Society. I just wanna emphasize here, this was equity investments in private industry for private space. You can say as much rhetoric about anything you want. But this whole idea that it's not important, I think, is, is not right. Mat, there's even more specific things you can do if you're listening and love the show. And yes, we see total continuity from what had really started to ramp up under the Trump administration. And there's gaps in that, just from the public data that I can find. The House Appropriations Committee is split up into a number of subcommittees. Thank you everyone. I mean, this is going to be an unusual midterm. Casey Dreier: And the request we're looking at are billions of dollars more than NASA was a few years ago. And once again, thank you for your support, but as an engineer, I'm just kooky for the Laser Bees. You may opt out any time. They're coming in with a major multi-mission multi-billion Euro contribution to this effort. That's not unusual, historically speaking. That's reasonable, [laughs], I think. I have to say I'm pretty encouraged, almost across the board. And we're gonna talk a lot about kind of the ideas of what happens after this. But we, we, we rolled that into the action, it made it kind of fun. And then, of course, the challenger disaster ultimately pushed it back. These are not just easy things that You don't swipe some credit card and buy a space station off the shelf. Yeah. You can kind of do that in some ways-. They will be further from Earth than any human ever has been, ever, including Apollo. If you wanna send a mission to Europa, it's gonna get there in 2034, you gotta be working on it now. And they're worried that that's a mission that they're that's got very popular su-support, but now they're worried about, since they can't get into work on that spacecraft, is it gonna delay its ability to get out the door, essentially? All this catchall directorate management organization for low-Earth orbit, and for going back to the Moon. So there's some additional priority being given to this if you just look at it again, where are they putting the money? Uh, it also continues to fund Europa Clipper for it now, at '24 launch date due to disagreement on which rocket to use to launch it. Right? And democracies by definition are not efficient. Mat Kaplan: Brendan? Bill Nye, Brendan Curry, Casey [00:45:00] Dreier, and me, Mat Kaplan. Learn how our members and community are changing the worlds. But this is what has been funded in the president's budget request. Casey Dreier: And then, also, I think to bigger picture things that we'll see play out on a longer-term time scale, that is important to follow is due to the economic fallout of what we're [00:34:00] going to see here. Casey Dreier spoke with him in Florida as we awaited the launch of Artemis 1. Join host Mat Kaplan and Planetary Society colleagues including Bill Nye the Science Guy, Bruce Betts, and Emily Lakdawalla as they dive deep into the latest space news. Mat Kaplan. All the good stuff that you just heard about, that, uh, Bill, Casey, and Brendan are up to on our behalf. Is Europa clipper in any kind of jeopardy? Especially, Casey, I look forward to talking again soon. And then you see Mars clawing its way back, starting in the 1980s. Image: ASI/NASA. Thank you. Glad you stuck with us because now we're going to get into, well, it won't be the nitty-gritty, not as detailed as you will be able to find from Casey at planetary.org, but a great overview as we dig somewhat deeper into this new Presidential Budget Request. We're not the National Security Space society. That doesn't mean it's efficient. Brendan Curry: I'm very hopeful and optimistic. So, you're seeing companies like OneWeb, which was attempting to launch a global-. Right? You can support the entire fund, or designate a core enterprise of your choice. There's going to be enormous deficits facing this country, and other countries, coming in the next few years. I'm Mat Kaplan, the host of the weekly show, joined again by the chief advocate and senior space policy advisor for The Planetary Society, Casey Dreier. Empowering the world's citizens to advance space science and exploration. NASA wants to basically put the whole mission on ice for a couple of years in order to work through Mars Sample Return and Europa Clipper. So there's other big races taking place across the land that maybe do not directly involve space, but they're going to suck up time and attention. Casey Dreier: Yeah. Stage three is, the rest of NASA's at stage three right now. And then, that informs how they're going to write their bills. We've set out and expanded a more detailed version of what we spend our time on, on your behalf, at this URL. 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